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SS6Pro Observations not showing in Observing List

I am having an issue where observations are recorded and can be seen from the info screen for each object.  However, when I go to the observing list where the objects are located, they are not checked off as observed.  If I go to the session in which I did the observations, the observations are there and when I go to the "edit observation" screen, the associated observing list is showing up as the source.  These observations happen to be for a pair of double stars so I duplicated the observation of the pair in both the primary and secondary star of each pair (i.e., 4 total observations).  I then duplicated one of the observations just to try again.  None of the 5 observations cause the observing list to indicate the objects were observed although all appear in the session in which they were recorded.  More detail:

The stars are shown in the observing list as "Struve 2470" and "Struve 2474".  

Struve 2470: The primary appears on screen as "HD178849" with synonyms "SAO 67870" and "STF 2470" listed on info screen.  The secondary shows on screen as "SAO 67867" with synonym "STF 2470".  In the observing list, the pair is listed as "Struve 2470".

Struve 2474: The primary appears on screen as "HR 7272" with synonyms "SAO 67879" and "STF 2474" listed on info screen.  The secondary shows on screen as "SAO 67875" with synonym "STF 2474".  In the observing list, the pair is listed as "Struve 2474".

Please advise what may be the problem.  I've attached screen shots of the 5 observations from the session list.

 

A related issue I notice is that on my Mac Book Pro (High Sierra 10.13.6), when I try to edit an observation in a session, the drop down for "Observing List" source is empty so I can't associate an observation on my Mac with an observing list.  However, on my iPhone and iPad, SS6Pro does display all my observing lists in the session edit drop down.  When I select an observing list in the session edit screen for an observation, it is recorded and once my Mac syncs with the web, the observing list shows as selected in the session observation edit screen.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Steve






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    Bill Tschumy

    Steve,

    Sorry you are having problems. I see that you have two observations of the object SAO 67867 attached to the list "Autumn Highlights".  That shouldn't cause a problem, but be aware that when you select the object in the list and choose Edit, it will only edit the first (I believe) observation made.  I really didn't plan on people making multiple observations of an object in a list (although the code doesn't prevent it - perhaps it should).

    The drop down for the observing lists to associate an observation with will be empty is there are no lists with that object in it.  I only display lists that contain the object.  However, given that yo see list on iOS, that is probably not the issue.

    So if I understand correctly, you have these observations, but they don't appear checked in the "Autumn Highlights" list, correct?  Is this the case on both Mac and iOS or is iOS behaving the way it should?

    I have one other person report a case where observed objects are not appearing as checked in the lists there are attached to.  I am just getting ready to try and figure this out.  Hopefully it is the same issue and I can tell you more tomorrow.  Stay tuned.

     

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    Atnbirdie

    Here's a follow up.  I went into the observation list that did not STF 2470 or 2474 as observed even though I entered observations that appear in the session list when I did the observing.  As mentioned previously, both primary and secondaries have observations from that session, but neither STF is recorded as observed in the associated observing list and when I click on the objects' info and then click on observations, none of the 2 entries for each STF showed up.

    Today, I went into the observing list and clicked on the two STFs with no observing check marks.  For each one, I created a new observation that I associated with both the original observing session and the observing list and copied all the data to the fields plus an extraneous letter at the end to identify them as the new entries.  These 2 new observation entries do now show up in observation list.  So if I go to the observation list, click the object, click on object info, click on observations, I see ONLY the new entry with the extraneous letter.  The other two entries I made from the observing session do not appear as observations AND none of the observations for either STF that show in the session observation list are the entries with an extraneous letter.

    Hope this helps,

    Steve

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    Bill Tschumy

    Still hoping to look at your problem later today.

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    Bill Tschumy

    Steve,

    On your iPhone & iPad, do you see all the data you expect, or is that in error as well?   That would help narrow down if it is local to the Mac or is inherent to the data on the server.

    If I understand, you can only see the original observations by accessing them from the Session.  If you just use Show Observations for the star, then the originals don't appear.

     

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    Atnbirdie

    On iOS it was the same: couldn't see observations in observing list, just from session.  Sorry for delay.  Replied to email rather than coming back here.  Duh!

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    Atnbirdie

    Any luck in sorting out this issue?

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    Bill Tschumy

    We are currently working on it.  We do seem to have a reproducible case now.  I don't think there is any data lose, but rather the data is just not being pulled from the local database for some reason.  We will be issuing a new update as soon as we get this fixed.

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    Atnbirdie

    Thanks!

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    Ros Hartigan

    Hi Steve, we have a couple more questions as we try to track this down.

    1) Do you see the data correctly on livesky.com?  That is, are the objects marked as observed in the ObservingLists?

    2) When you say "However, on my iPhone and iPad, SS6Pro does display all my observing lists in the session edit drop down." do you mean that on iphone/ipad all the observing lists are available in the session drop down, or just the ones that contain the object?

     

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    Atnbirdie

    Hi Ros,

     

    1) No location is showing the observations correctly in that in no place does it show STF 2470 or STF 2474 as observed in the observing list I was using.

    Live Sky does match what I see in iOS and on my Mac in most ways.  In my apps and LIveSky, I see observations for these Struve objects and they are associated with the session in which I saw them.  Within an observation, they are all showing they are associated with the proper observing list.  However, when I look at that observing list, they are not listed as observed. 

    Note again that these objects are labeled differently in different locations:

    On Mac and iOS from the observations listed for the Observing session in question, they are listed as HD178849 & SAO 67867, and SAO 67875.  However in the observing list, only Struve 2470 and Struve 2474 labels are used (and they are not checked as having been observed).

    On LiveSky, the observations listed for the Observing session in question, they are listed as HD178849 & SAO 67867, and SAO 67875.  However, the Observing list also shows only two listings but with the labels HD 178849 (STF 2470) and SAO 67875 (STF 2474).  Like in my apps, the observing list does not show either double star pair as having been observed.

    Note that besides the differential use of labels, that SAO 67875 is the secondary star of STF 2474, not the primary.  Don't know if that's relevant or not.

    2) On both my phone and pad, when in an observation and I pull down the observing lists to assign the observation, ALL observing lists appear.  On my Mac, NO observing lists drop down.

     

    Hope this helps.

    Steve

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    Bill Tschumy

    Let's focus on STF 2470.  Of course this is really two stars.  What I'm wondering is if when you added the star to the observing list, you had one component selected.  When you made the observation, you had the other component selected.  They might both be called STF 2470 but not marked observed in the list because you observed to other component.

    This explanation doesn't fully work because you shouldn't have been able to attach the observation to the Autumn Highlights observing list unless the correct component was in the list.  I don't know how that happened. 

    We didn't really anticipating people adding both individuals components of a double into an observing list.  It is possible that is where the screw up happened.

    Would you give us permission to look at your data on Live Sky to fully analyze what is happening?

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    Atnbirdie

    Let me clarify something - I did NOT initially enter both components of the Struve pairs.  When I did the initial observation, I selected it from the highlighted objects on screen (I had the observing list highlighted), so what I clicked on should have matched the contents of the observing list.  The observation didn't show up in the observing list even though when I made the entry, I selected the observing list as the home of the target.  The only reason there were entries for the other object of a Struve pair, was because after the fact I was trying to get something to register for the Struve entry in the observing list.

    Feel free to look at my data.

    Steve

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    Atnbirdie

    Here's an update based on observing I did last night.  I created a new observing list (Test List) and included STF 2470 and STF 2474 on it as well as the Epsilon1 Lyrae and Epsilon2 Lyrae.  I set up the list so it was highlighted on screen.  I'd click on a highlighted item and observe it.  I made observations and recorded them linking to the observing list.  I observed all 7 items on the list.  The others were Albireo, M27 and M57.  However, neither STF 2474 or Epsilon2  Lyrae are marked as observed in the Test List file.  If I go to the observations made in the session (Lyra & Cygnus), all my observations are there.  So again, it seems some double stars don't get recorded in the observing list.

    Hope this helps,

    Steve

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    Keiron Smith

    Hi Steve, 

    Bill is away at the Okie_Tex star party this week.  Updates to this discussion may not come until next week.

    Thanks for your patience!

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    Atnbirdie

    No problem. Just forwarding some helpful data. I know you folks are on it.

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